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Well, our next speaker is that she's a new media and sound artist from Canada, Dasha is known for her examinations of communication technology in the domestic sphere. She uses DIY esthetics and practices as artistic method to create sound installation, performances, drawings of beautiful high tech trash. As she writes on her Instagram, Dashner is a fellow at the Berlin Center for Advanced Studies and Arts and Sciences and guest professor of New Media and Sound at at a Karlsruhe University of Art and Design. Her art was presented at many international conferences and festivals and exhibitions. So we are very happy to welcome Dasha here today to MIT, talking about the links between socialism, lawnmowers and media art. Enjoy the status, your daughter. Hello and nice to see people in the crowd and hello to people who also might be watching online and later through YouTube or however so I I'm an artist and. I like to do a lot of electronics, some of the things I like to look at are obsolete technology and this concept of planned obsolescence in esthetics of failure. Everything that's written in my slides here, I wanted to start out by mentioning one of my main people of interest as an inspiration point. Doctor was a la Franklin. She's actually not so well known here in Germany, but she's what we call in Canada, a national treasure. We have a school named after her and she's written a lot about she comes from a scientific background. She's a physicist, but she's also a strong advocate, feminist pacifist. And she writes about technology in these really interesting metaphorical ways where she refers to technology being a home and how people live in and throughout it and essentially thinking of technology as a practice and not just objects and things, but systems where people are involved. And myself, I'm interested in deconstructing electronics from the household. And the reason why is because it's pretty accessible. I went to art school. I don't have any training in engine
ering or anything like this. So the best thing I can possibly do when I want to experiment with technology is go to the garbage, go to the dumpster and pull out all the gear that is no longer useful to anybody else. And I can take it into my studio and I can take it apart and see what it provides me with as far as artistic inspiration. So I never really start out with a concept, an artistic concept. I more look at a machine and I say, OK, machine, what can you tell me? That's interesting to work with? And so I think a lot of us in the audience in here at the Congress are familiar with this concept of planned obsolescence. I do like to introduce it, however, because in sometimes when I talk about it with my students, I get asked if I believe in the conspiracy theory of planned obsolescence. And I would like to point out, as probably many of you know, that this was no conspiracy theory. It's a business model that started when in the Great Depression in USA. This was one way to get out of a big economic jam was to produce products that had a limited lifespan so that people would buy things again and again and again. And we really haven't stopped doing that, which is causing us a lot of problems because we keep having this approach. So what are you going to do now is I'll show you a few sound installations and then I'm going to show you some DIY videos and that I worked on. And then a new project which has to do with dissecting a lawnmower. And I'm very happy to be sort of showing it to you guys here because it actually has its origins in this part of the world. So maybe even some of the locals would have used this lawnmower back in the day. So. So how long ago was this? I don't know, maybe close to, however many years ago, maybe 2012, they started to phase out analog television signals in Canada. And instead of letting people know that they can get a converter and plug their TV to get digital signals, a lot of people are just like, well, I guess it's just time to throw
 out the old TVs. So I spent a lot of time going around my neighborhood and feeling kind of bad for these old televisions and might like to point out I come from a family where my father was an antique dealer. So anything that's old and sort of left on the side has always been something interesting to me, because what I learned from my family is that looking at an object, looking at how it was used, looking at how an object was used and can kind of give you insight into society or what was going on at that time in history. Kind of like if you were to look at a painting for art historical purposes, it's like a window onto a certain time. So what I noticed responding to the electrostatic discharge from the TV. I'll just go back to that one, sorry, OK, maybe not. What I noticed is that the old CRT television televisions produce a lot of electrostatic emissions. So when you put your head in front of it, your hair sort of gets magically lifted up. And when I was doing those experiments in my studio with my hat, I really thought that I came upon something really unique. You know, I can make a static electricity, make things move. And then I did a bit of research. And what I found out is those were experiments being done like over like hundreds of years ago. I just happened to rediscover them. So what you see here is the electrostatic bell choir. And in front of the television, you have these Ballston, these electrostatic bell stands, which are their own little circuit in the center. We have like the ground Rodge. And on either side we have those bells and hanging suspended between each of them is a really light material, which is called the pith ball. It's actually the light material that's inside of a tree branch. And so when the TV turns on or off, it gets this boost of electro static electricity, which makes it waver back and forth. This installation works exceptionally well in dry environments. So on my tech writer, I actually have a big dehumidifier because I have sh
own it before and old castles and it's completely dead at that point because the moisture kills it. So I have to run around with hairdryers and try to dry up the screens. So this is a one of the installation. So I sort of make something that looks a bit like an alter. It's using Solid-State relay's to control the sequences of TV's going on and off. I have a pretty basic program running on an Arduino. This project keeps getting more and more challenging to make as it goes along because the TVs are not as easy to find anymore and I can't get the same effect with a flat screen. So right now I have a lot of old televisions in storage and I just hang on to them. Who knows, maybe one day the artwork will be bought and I won't have to pay money monthly to store them. The bells themselves are actually from old rotary telephones and grandfather clocks. So, yeah. Next is a work called the Feedback Babies, and what this is, is these are baby monitors or baby phones that were really abundant, let's say, in the second hand store. This was made in 80s. These were started to be made around 83. So this was a big part of my childhood. I don't know if I used one or not, but I noticed that they would always show up at the thrift store. So I slowly started to collect them because I thought, you know, if I get it up an abundance of these things, it could probably be interesting enough to make an installation with them. And I really like the quality of the feedback because in one way it sounds like crying. Can you guys hear that enough or should I turn it up? No, it's good. OK, I see some of that. And so I noticed when they move the monitor in a certain pattern in front of the eye, when I move the receiver in front of the transmitter and a certain pattern, I get nice sounds. And that one up here is what's working really well. But to figure out how to actually make that movement took me forever. But eventually the work transformed. That kind of looks a little bit now and I'm thinking I'm 
calling feedback. Maybe someone looks a little bit mean. It's like hanging it. So here's a close up. A couple of details. Of what it turned into. So in both of those two pieces, sound is a pretty important element, but I never approach sound as like a musician. I'm actually really not interested in making music. I'm more interested in hearing what the machines are giving me and then sort of placing that in a space and then seeing what it does. So, yeah, they're not really so composed or anything like this. OK, so I wanted to get into some of my DIY videos, now I'm realizing this is almost 10 years or so for this next to be doing is we're going to be making an audio representation of AC power. So what you'll see here is we have a power cord that's plugged into power by that's going to the wall and then we have it going to a transformer. And what the transformer is doing is dropping it from 120 volts AC down to 15 volts, which is a little bit more easy for us to manage for our purposes. And it's it's directly driving the speaker. So what you're going to be hearing is this 60 hertz 66 cycle, which generally is something that we try to avoid. We try to cut out, you know, a lot of gear for music, you know, is is made in a certain way. So it gets rid of this hum. But we actually wanted to hear precisely that, nothing else. So when I turn on this thing, pouvoir, you're going to hear it. So here it is. So these are the kinds of things you get up to in Canada when it's really cold out. So I. This is at a time I was really first getting into working with this idea of open source software and everything, and there is this idea like you always have to contribute back to the community. I'm like, I'm definitely not doing any fucking documentation for pure data, even though I did, it was boring. So I was like, I know I'll make these videos and this will be my contribution. So these videos that I made do go on are on YouTube. Yeah, but I mean, now this is quite a normal thing, but 
10 or close to 10 years ago, I, I don't know what I was doing. I was just putting them on there. And it's nice to know that they still get seen. This next video is. From a collaboration I do with Create Digital Media, where we bring a bunch of people together and over the course of about five days, people do all sorts of hacking related to music. There's a lot of knowledge transfer going on and sometimes we find interesting hacks and we share them. So here we are in the last few hours, late at night at the HACLA, stuck at the artifact festival and a few of us are here to show you a really fun fact that we found somebody purchased a second hand child, a fake microphone that gave some pretty interesting Equifax. And then, of course, it was busted open in the spirit of the heckler. And then we realized that there was this really interesting disco leidy's in there and we were playing around with it. And then we thought it was like, hey, man, why don't we just jacot into the mixer and see if we can hear the actual sounds of this little disco. ALDY And what we realized was something quite fascinating. There's actually a little chip, little integrated circuit on the inside of the lid that gives us some extra special surprise. So I'm going to parachute into this Jack here and then Marie, that. Has anyone done this before? Yeah, it's pretty fun. It's like little over NO2 on a chip inside of Amidi. Yes, so that's a pretty exciting find, it's not something that we see every day, but any time you see a little crappy looking party disco led like this, you might want to patch it into some speakers because there's a pretty interesting sound waiting to be heard. So drawing schematics and using I studied for one one year interior design before one of the teachers like you don't belong here. You should go to art school. But I learned I spent a whole year learning how to do technical drawing and drafting and market building. And this was very useful because I learned how to draw lines
. So there's a lot of line drawings. It's not easy and different sizes of lines mean different widths of line mean different things. Yeah. So then Unter, let's move on to this one. What I would call probably my most technically ambitious DIY videos. What you're seeing here right now is the temple wheel of the Zeidman five thousand, which is the world's oldest commercially available drum machine, which is what Wurlitzer said when it came out in 1959, although there seem to have been other things going on in different countries. But this one got a lot of hype. What's special about it, too, is that it's working on vacuum tubes and valves. So it's particularly scary in a certain level because it's a lot of high voltage and people have this mystical idea about vacuum tubes a lot of the time. So I made a 10 part series online about how each section of the drum machine works, including things like the speaker, the tempo wheel and all sorts of this saucing. The schematic wasn't the easiest thing I've ever done. It was somewhat of a hunt. I did find a retired music critic who was happy to email one to me and give me some give me some pointers as well. So Sideman would usually be in a box like that, and they marketed it in several ways. One of them, one of the ideas is that it was a teaching machine. So I should say it plays ballroom dance music at various different tempos. OK, if you speed up Foxtrot, it turns into techno and then there's cha cha and samba. It pretty much sounds like old timey, old timey music most of the time. Yeah. So I think it's most impressive, however, when the top Windom leader is off because there's moving parts and beautiful wiring in this sort of thing. So I really wanted to emphasize that. Yeah. So I have a couple of the videos here. Maybe we watch one or two, but you can watch them all online as well. So take a little break. Six. Ladies and gentlemen, we are gathered here today to witness the Technicolor mystery, that is the tone generating circu
itry of Simon five thousand. One of Simon's central goals is to convince the human ear that it is producing real life instruments and this is what we call sound synthesis. Now, try saying that three times that sound synthesis, sound synthesis, synthesis is the technique of generating sounds from scratch using electronic news flash people. Simon isn't the only machine that synthesizers found any of the loop sounds or computer or video games make all generate audio using this technique. And just like the guts of the tone generator, synthesizing sound can seem quite complicated. But what we have to keep in mind here is that the science behind sound synthesis is derived from how real life spans are produced. As you know, sounds are waves of air that travel in different patterns with varying frequency and amplitude, and our human ears can make sense of a wide range of frequencies. For instance, these sounds. Our high frequency and this sound is very low in level, the brains behind sound synthesis have applied math to the physics of sound, and once we've got numbers, we can engineer electronic models that allow us to manipulate waves of electrons so that they behave the same way as we sound to systems inside of Simon's right. This is what we call our Suay Noise people. I put the wrong one on, but there is a whole section that you are going to see. We'll just skip over and look at the tone generators. All right. So Simon is going to play some broken down tango and we're going to take a closer look at what's going on with the troops inside a home generators. Now up in this corner here, we have an AC nine two. This is a very important part of the circuit because this tube is in charge of generating all the signals required to make all of the seismic sounds. So in a way, it's sort of like genesis of cell synthesis inside five thousand. Further down, we have these three tubes here behind s.E.C. Eight three NBCC nine two and the F ninety three. They're part of this circuit that
 I just mentioned here, that they're also connected to the SHEMER generator and the Schimmer generator is creating symbols across America. Now, if I pull out the F 93 C here, that pulling out one of Simon's teeth. Yeah. And the down on symbols, we don't have anything anymore. Now, if I put it back in Marmolejo yet carefully symbols is back in pictures. No below we have a series of four s.E.C. Eighty threes. And inside each of these glass envelopes we actually have two elements of each element just controlling one of the other cells that Simon makes. And either half of the two. We have something called a trigger protection order. And this is something that can be adjusted to change the the filter or the tone filter. And then that allows us to sort of change the tenor of the sound that's being created. What's cool about this chamber pot is it's got a specific little spot for me to jam a screwdriver in. And I can do that here right now. Affecting Temple Block. I think that sounds a bit better. Come on, I mean. Now, lastly, up in this corner here, we have s.E.C 83 and this section of the circuit is a corporate amplification. So all of the signals that are being generated inside this part of end up over here where they get boosted once before going down over to the amplifier. So I should point out, Simon is a bit of a beast, I got her a lot of the time along the way, there's parts where there's like 300 volts coursing through. And it's like I or I thought it would be cool to do performances with it. And the first one I did I like bent over to use my mixer. And I had just gotten my my hair cut and it was too short to put in a ponytail like I usually have, which is not just for fashion but for function. And my hair got caught in the rotor and a big clump of it came out and I sort of disappeared behind the machine for a few minutes while I tried to figure out what to do with myself. So I don't really do performances with that anymore. Anyhow, as I mentioned before, there's 
an increasing number of people and women to taking part in this world of DIY videos. And one controversial figure who I kind of really love is Naomi Wu, the real sexy cyborg. Do people follow her? Yeah. OK, so she's from Shenzhen and she makes videos in her workshop. A lot of it has to do with 3D printing and coding and other things. She's pretty like into her, like badass cyberpunk style. So there's a lot of fashion related hacks too. And she's also a pretty strong advocate for women in science technology, STEM, as they call it, transhumanism opensource and body modifications. So also, if you can see, she's done a lot of work on her body because she's like becoming a cyborg. But unfortunately, there is this scandal that occurred where the CEO of Make magazine actually didn't believe that she was a real thing. Like the idea was like too mind blowing for him to think that there wasn't like people behind this woman doing DIY videos with the 3D printer. So she called it the equivalent of getting GamerGate by him. But what was really interesting is she's she's pretty persistent. She was pointing people to her. EFIC, U.S., if you were ever interested in reading it, which gives a really interesting background into her esthetic and the way that she moves about her city and the big differences that might occur between what people consider sexy or what have you between a Chinese culture and Western culture. So this was pretty interesting. And eventually she got she did get a apology from the CEO of MAKE, which was quite a thing to happen. Now, unfortunately, though, MAKE has continued to have a bit of problems, even in the German publications. There's this one publication, the Smart Home Hacks, and there's in the introduction, there's a section called about Wah Wah. I translated it from German and WOF refers to something called The Wife Acceptance Factor, which let me read here. Wife acceptance factor or wife approval factor is an assessment of design element that either inc
reases or diminishes the likelihood of a wife approving the purchase of expensive consumer electronic products such as High Fidelity loudspeakers. It's like, OK, that's a I didn't I didn't know that one before and I kind of like old things. I was a bit surprised by this, but I was more than anything, a bit more surprised by what this what this book was saying. So if you look at the sections that I've highlighted here, I'm saying only a few things would make me more happy than if a woman would pick up a screwdriver after reading this book to replace her regular light switches with radio controlled buttons. And I don't know if we need a book to tell us to pick up a screwdriver. And then later on it goes on to say that she will go ballistic if the self install radio controlled alarm system cannot be shut off in the most simplest ways. And he, on the other hand, will open the case and bypass the right context. So anyways, I think this was an attempt at a joke. However, I don't think it's very funny and I don't think that I would go ballistic in this instance. I mean, they go ballistic if people are making jokes at the expense of my people. So this is one of the. Things that still occurs when entering into this discussion of a DIY DIY culture while being a woman. Now, what are you going to do? Wedding, thank. And what are you going to do now? Is it going to kind of look at that look at that concept, but through a different lens, they're going to switch a little bit into this next part. And I'm going to give you guys a little brief introduction to to the history of a Cold War, Eastern Germany, which feels funny because I'm here in Leipzig. So just it's just some very brief points during this time when the wall was up on this side where we are now in the east, there was really a scarcity of raw materials and industrial materials. There is an abundant skilled workforce. There was a severe import restrictions and limited access to domestic technology and household electronic
s. But there was a strong culture of ingenuity and repair. One of the things that I noticed myself doing, especially when I started out doing electronics, was I was always trying to find other people like me in in electronics. So if you can imagine, it's kind of exciting to find a user manual where there's a woman fixing a lawnmower. And it turns out that there's actually in the GDR, a lot of women showing us how lawnmowers work. Now, this idea of equality of women was a very strong, strongly propagated goal. Like this is something that's very present in socialism. So that's part of the socialist ideology. But at the same time, there was a lot of people who didn't come back from the war. So women needed to take on a more a role that was outside of the home, for instance, to help rebuild, rebuild the country afterwards. So like people who are once housewives were all of a sudden in brigades to rebuild. So it was normal that there was this sort of imagery going around to encourage people to be women, to be taking on responsibilities that might have otherwise been just seen for men. And there was yeah. So I have a collection of these manuals and I will point out a lot of people ask, how did I come across the trolley cars? And me and I did live in Vimal, which is pretty close by for about a couple of years while I worked at the university there and I lived with a retired television repairman. That's this guy, that's Wolfie. And his home really hasn't changed since the wall came down, which is really interesting for me. And it was interesting for him to have somebody around that wanted to look at the old televisions that he would fix in this sort of thing. So I spent a lot of time learning how things were learning German at the same time. And this is what it all revolved around. I was looking at this old technique. I found this I thought maybe people at the CCC might find this interesting. He was also making plans for fixing keys and getting into locks. People might be h
ere anyways. One of the things that I would do is work in the garden. And so here we have the Toli and I mean, there's something quite captivating about it. I mean, I this is this helmet looking thing. This is just the motor hood, OK? There's slots in it for there to be air circulation. But I couldn't quite help but feel like there's definitely like something menacing about that lawnmower. And it looks like it's about to like, do more on the grass in the yard. I mean, I, I don't think I don't think it was like meant to be that way. I think this is pure functionality. But as an artist, I'm looking at this and it's really inspires me in a certain way. So the project that I'm look that I'm working on right now is this idea of reimagining GDR technology in the age of planned obsolescence. And the idea is, can deconstructing socialist era technology and connecting it to present day digital culture offer alternative readings of our critical entanglement with technology? So what kind of patterns and juxtapositions emerge when domestic electronics and commonplace attitudes, cultural practices and techniques that surrounded technology from this historically significant socialist period inhabit the realms of capitalist culture? I'm specifically interested in this idea of use and reuse. And when we look at how people from the GDR were and are still working with technology, this question of obsolescence becomes a bit blurry because things keep getting repaired and keep working. Meanwhile, the rest of the world keeps buying new lawnmowers. And so I'll show you a bit of the work that I've done so far with it. Um. I worked on this. Introduction video with AGF, who's a musician who's also from the originally from the GDR. And the idea here is to to look at the sort of object, the fetishized objects that we see in tech culture now. And sort of apply it to this motor hood. Has anybody that anybody is there anybody in the audience that had a totally Langmore? Yes. And where were you, 
like, scared of it? I'm kidding. Yeah. So anyhow, I'm presently also working on a series of photographs with the let's just call them Helminths, because that's what they are really looking like. So I had I when I first came across the the lawn mower in my yard and my mom, I was like, oh, man, this thing is so special and unique. How do I get all of them? And then I realized I don't have to worry because eBay Kleinhenz is full of people selling parts, selling blades, selling just the motor hoods. And I'm now part of this cool club of old guys that trades parts. And sometimes I can have one motor hood if I give like a motor bed or if I have wheels or something like this. So it's really fun. It's like often it's, you know, and then sometimes they get very skeptical. They're like, what are you doing with all these? You got seven trollies. And I'm like, I'm an artist. They're like, I don't care. You can't have it. You can't have them if you don't need them. So, yeah, I have to look down to downplay that part because it doesn't get me very far. So yeah, the photographs are large scale, although that kid's pretty small too. And I'm putting them in on unbuckles on pedestals. So they look like they had this history as like some warrior, the warrior of the lawn. And yeah, actually there'll be an exhibition in April at Filton and this this work will be part of it. And I will close by showing you the next most inspiring lawnmower from the GDR. There's something quite lovely about the Z r m 450. Now, what you purchase, what you purchase is you get the chassis of your lawnmower and then you find somebody that has a ball of Bulmash. You screwed a trailer electric drill and then you put both of them together. When I looked in these, I didn't laugh like you guys were. This is like restored my faith in humanity. I was like, this is amazing. You know, you this is really a concept that's useful for us now to think like we don't need more stuff. We just need to make friends with the nei
ghbor who has the thing that we need to make our lawnmower work. And I like this idea of fuzing two pieces of technology and getting something new out of it. So based on this new wonderful insight, the next plan with the with the poly is to try to somehow turn it into a record player. The motor goes pretty fast on the totally. But I think I could slow it down. And there's lots of information out there in the high fidelity world of record turntable building about how to build your own record player. So the idea is to really, like, smash some of these Charly's into making a music thing that can play music. So, yeah, and that's the end. And just a small reminder for New Years to make sure to turn off your computer before midnight. Thank you. Very inspiring talk, I'd say, on. We now have about like 15 minutes for questions, so a lot of time. Keep them coming. The mikes are open for you. I also wanted to know if there's people who have the people who have the email or the lunch at home. I would like to talk with you about it. Or in general, in general, just your experience from from this time and now, just with tech, because this is my main big interest. Yeah. I have a case I have a background in dance and theater, and so I wonder in the community I come from, I see you two times with Adidas and so I wonder what you see idea with the Adidas, because as a community I come from you just don't like that. You do. Oh, well, there's two things about that jacket. OK, first of all, it's a vintage Adidas jacket. And when you move in it, you feel like people like you feel kind of like a superhero. And I think this is an important part of standing up in front of a bunch of people and explaining how sound synthesis works. And also I teach a lot of a lot of electronics related courses and sometimes it's fucking boring. And I somehow feel that if I get up there and sort of like remind people that there's something exciting going on, they'll somehow be part of my take part in the discu
ssion more. So it wasn't a new Adidas jacket. It was very old. And yeah, it was to make myself feel good and to encourage people to so to watch me in the machine. It was a tactic like that. Too bad I didn't bring the again. So do we have another question? Yeah. Microphone two, please. I just think someone could fit his head inside the. And I like how happy everybody puts it on their head. They get confused when they have like the Turbo One with three slots. Now, what's interesting, though, is that the material that it's made out of varies quite a lot. There's something that's very hard plastic and some that's very light. You could you could wear it as to your next fight club. If you want to scare somebody, you could wear it. Yeah, like putting it on top of my hat and maybe put another one on top of that, just like try working out with some lights and a hot dog going here and my go. I've got quite a few. If you ever wanted to test it out, I personally won't go that that route with the performative thing. But yeah, I think it could be it could be fun if somebody else did it. Thanks for this question. I think we have a question from fashion related questions and it goes to I think we have a question from the Internet. Yes. First of all, of course, everybody should invest in Longmont's now because of the prices will rise. I think after the stock exchange is asking, what machines are you going to build in the future? Are there any upcoming projects? And of course, there's always many machines that I'm thinking about, the next one being the the record player. But there's also from learning about sidemen, I really dove into this world of vacuum tubes and there's a vacuum tube that's called the mercury rectifier. It's quicksilver. And the way it generates electronics is electrons as it heats up, mercury and this beautiful blue cloud glows. It's really fascinating to look at, but it's also kind of creepy to think that these were like heavily used in industry, like up to 100 
years ago, and now they're just sort of not used anymore and they're kind of hanging out. And I want to track where these things might be because mercury is a bit of a problem sometimes if it's not contained. So I think I might be looking into Mercury rectifiers, but I never know. Sometimes you just come across I come across something and then it just takes my inspiration. Know things like No one place, all right, sort of building on that on future ideas and the long that's run from a drill motor. Do you have any ideas of these kinds of combinations that we could be doing in our lives or in in. Yeah, not not yet. But I mean, I would like to maybe work with my students specifically on this topic in a in a seminar, do workshops where it's specifically on smashing two things together or more. Yeah. Do you have any ideas. That's what I'm curious. No, not not yet. But I really like this idea of something becoming repurposed and work and being worked through in another way. Mike and Mike, number four, please. Hi, thank you for the talk. It was very inspirational and I have a similar question. If you could only work on one machine for the rest of your life, what would that be? What kind of question is that difficult? Well, I mean, here's the thing, like a machine can be many things, right? Like a wedge that like it's yeah, I don't know, a slinky. I don't know. I'm not sure this ironmen is really fulfilling. There's so many parts to it that I could potentially work with that again. I mean, I also work very extensively for with sound and electro mechanics with the five five five timer. And this gets me really far as far as pushing it for in many different ways. This is an integrated circuit that's you can create a clock of different frequencies with and it's all over the place. So this one, I would say, is the one that I've really gotten like I could almost build in my sleep. So, yeah, that maybe it would be the five five five timer. Thank you. Yeah, thanks. We have another 
question from the Internet. CIBM users asking, have you ever seen KC 85, which is a computer from the German Democratic Republic? I haven't seen it yet, but I want to. Yeah, no, not yet. Right, things like number two, please. All right, thanks. You know, I love your work. I'm just wondering because there's a bit of socialism missing from this project, and I'm wondering if you have thought about what record you will use on the side. I yeah, good question. I have no idea yet. I have no I have no I don't know. Maybe I have to build a sleeve to cut the record and then go from there. I'm not sure this is what's keeping me up at night, by the way. Yeah. Is no place that I this is the first I see of your work and I think it is amazing. So you've got a new floor. And also have you done these kinds of projects with like modern Intec, the Post. Two thousand. Uh, no, not normally post 12. Like garbage you waste. OK, one thing that often gets dissected in workshops that I do is the three and one printer, because that thing's full of really useful parts. Um, but otherwise I just like look at something that's seemed like surface mount components. I'm like you boring. I can so not so much there or do I. Yeah, no. I'm mainly interested in things that have motors. So the, the, the three and one Ganor printer thing is a pretty is a pretty big deal. I did a workshop where one of the students stripped it down and built like this and there was ink left over and he built like this like Poca postapocalyptic tattoo parlor slash machine. I wasn't, I didn't stick around for the better part. I make tattoos, but yeah. Yeah, I can. Number four, please. I had, um, thank you first of all for pointing out the wife acceptance factor bullshit and also showing me which whose work I also think is really great and weird and provokes, of course, a lot of discourse also in the feminist movement, I guess whatever. But I was wondering, as of course statistics still show that there's less female engineers a
nd stuff like that. Um, how do you consider your role, female role model function and what is it with your students? Are there a lot of female students and what do you do especially to encourage girls? Um, I don't do much other than just show up. Um, yeah. I think in the in the education in the education bubble, um, if I'm if I'm there teaching, there's just generally in the art school at least, there's generally young young women, young women and and men. I try to make a space that really encourages like failure is just as important as a success because this is an important link. I feel like a lot of people don't necessarily recognize that, like when you're doing this kind of thing, like, of course, you're going to break something. And that's sometimes the way that you learn. Um, and. Yeah, just also, I think that there's this idea that we have about how electronics needs to be taught, like you need to do Ohm's Law first and you need to do this in these equations. And I'm like, to me, this is not how I learned it. I learned I walked into it backwards. You know, I was an IV technician at school and I had to learn how to use a multimeter that had like a needle. And I didn't know what the hell I was doing. So I just spent a lot of time inventing things and then eventually came around to figuring out how it worked. So it's more about an exploration and discovery and also knowing that you can look at look for patterns instead of thinking that you need to know a theory. And sometimes if something's not working right, but it's doing something, maybe that's interesting enough and you can build artwork around that. Yeah, I think we have another question from the Internet. Yes, it might be your next big project because the stream is asking, would you be interested in participating in a lawnmower army workshop at the next council computer camp? OK, wait, is there a prize? I think they're more talking about Wi-Fi access points on lawnmowers and other things. Oh, OK. And of cou
rse, blinking lights. Yeah, of course. Of course. I'm interested in making and making an army with these with these guys. Why wouldn't I be? Yeah, this is a great idea. I think, OK, so no questions anymore, then I'd say thank you all for these fun and interesting questions. And most importantly, thank you again for this great talk and thank you. Such a pleasure to have you. Let's give her a last round of the.