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OK, so good afternoon, everyone. I just arrived live three hours ago, and I am already overwhelmed by what is going on here. So many machines, so many Kostov. Actually, this is my first time at the event. And at the moment I'm a bit nervous because there are so many people today and my first time as well. So you can see that I'm not a native speaker and when I'm nervous, I tend to speak a little bit and clearly. So if you do not understand me, please give me a signal like raise your hand or something like that. Thank you. And so my presentation today is about building our own personalized open textile production line. OK, so let's stop. First of all, let me introduce a little bit about myself. OK, so my name is again from Fanhouse in Vietnamese Harmful. I'm from Vietnam and I come from the Mekong Delta, which is quite a poor region in south of Vietnam. And in my region, you know, maybe some of you are wearing the clothes that produced for my region. So we have a lot a lot of clothes factory. And that export is close to to Europe in the US. And on the screen you can see here, this is a sewing pattern for for what I'm wearing right now. So I'm going to show you. So this is what I'm wearing right now is a Vietnamese traditional dress, so it is very popular back to the 60s and 70s, but nowadays you can hardly see it in Vietnam anymore unless you come to an event like this. Then you can see the outline. OK, so this is the example of a sewing pattern like before you used to like the rest that you need to come. You need to have the pattern and. OK, so let's continue. So the region where I come from, we could produce a lot of clothes and we can see a lot of problems going on in the garment industry. And today, I would like to to to mention to discuss about the issue and how we can solve them. And so our goal of the project is to make a revolution for the textile and garment industry there. A lot a lot of assemble to show that the system is broken. And so let's see, how can 
we fix it? OK, so get where it is. This is not in Vietnam. This is a picture that's taken in Dubai about three months ago, still Dubai. OK, we noticed that really glamorous city, the tallest building in the world, the best hotel in the world, and biggest Moore in the world. And to have probably the most oil in the world, maybe. But so, you know, the city, abundant energy, you know, on the street, there are a lot of stuff. And when you go inside, bust up the install air conditioning in the bathtub and inside the bathtub, even advertising messages saying that here in Dubai, it always 23 degrees Celsius. So that's how to use energy. And the desert in the middle of the city of Dubai. And this is a small Tyler Talercio, most of a guy I come from Bangladesh or Pakistan, and you can see they have no window in their working area, no air con, only one fan installed in the ceiling. And in Dubai during the summer, the temperature can get above 40 degrees. And this is the condition that these tiles are working on at the moment. OK, so next one and this. So this one is the picture that I take from my cell phone. I've been living in Dubai for a few months, and this one is the picture taken from the Internet because it's very difficult to get access into the factory in China or Vietnam. So this is just a simple picture of a factory in in China. But nowadays, you know, a lot of clothing manufacturers are moving to Vietnam because we have cheaper labor costs and really just a very low wage to China. So we we're receiving a lot a lot of foreign investment in the garment industry. And so what it is, I believe you guys still remember the deadliest accident in the garment industry just happened one year ago in a district of Dhaka, the capital of Bangladesh. There were about one thousand one hundred twenty nine people died and more than two thousand five hundred injured after this accident. So so you can see that, you know, the people really don't care about the condition of the building
, for they do not care about the laborers. And that's how the building collapsed. So the next thing, this picture is taken at a factory very close to my house in the in the home in the city of Kento. And in fact, one of my cousins who used to work there has to work six days, six days a week and about 13 hours, but they only earn one hundred and fifteen dollars per month, which is only around four dollars and forty four dollars, 40 cents per day for 13 hours. So, yeah, so so what these Istanbul towers is mean that the labor, the labor inside the textile industry is really unfair for them because this is not really one point seven trillion industry, but the people who work in this industry, the majority, don't make a lot of money. OK, so next thing is the next problems or challenges that we are facing right now in the textile and garments at just this little. What do I mean by that? So, you know, now is going but every season you see a lot of color, a lot of collection in style, in the mall, in the shopping area, a lot of clothes out there. The fashion are growing very fast. But what hasn't changed much in the way how they produce the clothes. So a lot of factory and businesses are still using machinery that's stuck in the 80s. Why is it like that? Because it's cheaper for them to pay it, to pay labor than to upgrade a machine. OK, and the next one and one of the the biggest issue that come from that industry is the pollution. So you can see that 77, 17 to 20 percent of industrial water pollution come from the textile dyeing and treatment. And it's a 70 to toxic chemicals are written solely from dying in which 30 percent cannot be removed. And this is really bad for our environment. You say the water in the river is great, but if you if you have visited Hodgeman City, you can see that a lot of area that the river actually black, not the red light this. OK, so and the next the next issue that I want to mention here is clothing's are not produced locally anymore, especi
ally here in Europe, in the U.S., because a lot of clothing production and moving to developing country like ours or Bangladesh, China, Indonesia, the Philippines, and you don't see a lot of factories in Europe anymore. So it also mean that now the people get less and less access to to try to close production and they maybe in the future, nobody will know how to make clothes anymore because you never make them. You just go to the shop and buy them. OK, so the next one and another issue come from the consumer. So I don't know if you ever faced that issue that you go to the shopping mall spending several hours but couldn't find clothes that fit you. This is what happened to me all the time. So I travel a lot. During the last year, I've been living in Dubai. I was in Singapore and I was in the U.S. before. So my all because it can never fly laws that fit me. So and I used to go to a shopping mall with a friend of mine from Australia to really beautiful stained model. So you can find all the clothes that Feto and after spending seven hours together, couldn't find clothes for me. So they would say, see it, make a chocolate. OK, so if there is a person that's smaller than me in the world, probably a 12 year old chai, but this is not true because in Vietnam, my side really normal medium, there's also smaller people compared to me. So then you can understand that house, Jacqueline. They are to find clothes that fit ever travel to Europe or the U.S.. And also another problem that we have that we can see very well is we organize events in Asia every year. We have a lot of friends and speaker come from Europe and the U.S. And if it's happened, it forgot to carry their clothes. They couldn't manage to find clothes that fit inside Asia. It's very difficult for them. And what is it? So is it the so to measure the sizes and Ostende, even though they say, OK, even though they said, OK, so we met standard sizes for the industry, we have small, medium, large. But if you look at Germa
ny, France, Italy, Besi are not the same, even though for the same piece of shirt or jeans and this is only one example. And you could imagine how many products that you have out there. It just like impossible to have to do to get something that fit you, like, so difficult to understand. And now in China, what is this? OK, so let me go back a little bit and OK, so the next one. Another issue, the broken customer relationship, no room in the code and let industry model four make the measure clotting in tools and decides that in the past we utu to go to the shop, get our measurement done and entirely make our arrest. But nowadays we don't have the chance to interact with tailers or our designer anymore. And that's the come back to the issue that you can never find something that fits you on the neck, the problem is the broken production system. What does that mean? Tools are expensive and not interoperable and proprietary format. What does that mean? So that means that a lot of software, the industry, are close and very expensive. That's why very few people on this I know got access to this down to the tools. And the next thing is designed to protect manufacturers based on the tools. So now design. I know if they want to the manufacturer to to produce their their claws or their desire, they need to use the same tool because there isn't anything else that available, everything close. And for them for for some small I they are very active to have nice idea, but they cannot afford the same tool. That's the issue. And the next one must order in large bastide, which is a very big quality. So the fashion industry is all about big quality. So if you just want to produce a few shirt or obfuscate it, very difficult for you to fire a producer that can do this kind of job for you. The last point is this. I want a quick resistent. If you are designing anomaly, you have a piece of of work and then you want to do want to produce it to see if you can change it or something. But it's
 very difficult to be done. You have to spend a lot of time, fireboat produce and have to travel back and forth so and convince them to bring out one piece for you so you can see for it and then continue to produce. So it take a lot of time and effort has the next step. Then the next problem is happen in the distribution system so that these distribution system for the industry is just for huge production runs, for instance. Again, I don't want to emphasize again that industry, it was for big quantity and these small and medium designer cannot get access to to the industry. Those channels also no space for smaller, smaller designer incorporates the animals that you can design. Something that said, OK, I will sell at Zarah or on them. And they don't do that. OK, so so according to the diffused Istanbul that I showed you just now, it just. I said something so funny, I don't know, like wrong. So, OK, so so just like everything is broken, like in every level of the industry is broken and for design, for production, for custom also. And also the DP distribution, Gendell, everything seems broken and doesn't work. So how to fix it. This is a picture of our friend in the open tech community in Berlin. I believe she also here today. So Yvonne is a designer and also a consumer herself. So she want to have a fair and environmentally friendly solution, say one to to produce locally, see one to have open source software, and they want to be able to do to express herself in a creative way. So how to get it dry for Yvonne and the rest of us? That's the question here. And we have a few ideas of how to solve these problems. So we come up with something. We are looking into the news interfaces for government and spectacular production and free and open source software and hardware in open data formats and in open government marketplaces. OK, so OK, so what's next for the second half of. So I have come to the first half of the presentation. So for the second half of the presentation I
 will introduce to you well what am already happening out there. So on the screen it was a simple business up a V Q so via Q e the term for Vietnamese who live overseas. So this family migrated to the US in night in Abbotsleigh in the nineties. And so they are a business though. There is a website that allow people from the U.S. to to provide to input their measurement and then the data will be sent to the local to to the to the family back home. So because in Vietnam, everybody produce cheaper in the U.S., you cannot afford to do it to make something customized. Yes, but in the family in Vietnam, we based on the measurement and they can also select a suit that they want, that they want to produce. They produce something from Vietnam and then they will shape over to the family in the U.S. And then this family we then delivered is the custom made piece of a suit to the American, to American people. So this is just one model of business. But what is good about this model? The website allows you to to provide your measurement. And, um, and this is what we want to do. So but they really do is only for their own business. But our idea, we want to have a solution that we that allow people to input their measurement in a way that we can we can share and we can can store it can can digitalize the measurement that as we come up with a project called Tweedie, the trade body measurement, and I would I would show you a prototype of this project. Give me. OK, so, um, so I only eat something beforehand because I don't want to do it as everyone. So let's see what can we do here? So we click on the measurement list and let's see. OK, so is it, um, the trade is a very simple project, and then let's see, what can we do here? That chandy, this one to 70. They say, have you are? Yeah, so yeah, man, we press yeah, yeah, yeah. And yeah. So this is just one idea. So the project is the very new and we do we want to do a lot more. We want to do it. We can change the sizes we want to, but th
at would ultimately decided not to. Okay. So when you see in the facilities, let go back to the list. This is not all the measurement you have on your body. There are a lot more. So we are still working on it. And so later on we want to do more thing, which is not just that we want to have a 3D model body measurement on the smartphone where you can just use your phone to to get your measurement and send it to to do a database that can be shared with everyone. Yeah, you can also have a female body. Yeah, see, you see two different. OK, so let's go let's go back to. Hmm. OK, so on the court available on GitHub, if you want to check it out and install it on your computer to test it. So after we we get we got a measurement. What what are we going to do with it? OK, so we come up with OK, so this is some edits that the project we already have a very international team. We have people from Germany. German people always participate in anything. And what is it a complement this at the moment. I wish I could be German. So and also we have people from India, from Sri Lanka who join us for this Wacek and I hope today, uh. Q Thank you. So I hope today we can get more people to join our project. I guess so. By the way, Force Asia is the UN is an organized nation that I've been involved for the last five year. Initially, it started in Vietnam to support the development of free and open source software and try to adapt open technology for social change with a focus on Asian user. Oh, OK, so after you have the measurement, what do you what do you want to do next? Uh, we need to store it somehow. That's why some of our member of the community have an idea of the value of a human definition format. And it try to find where you can store measurement and you can check out here. I'm not an expert, but it's always that a few people are laughing. But maybe you don't want me or next one. OK, so we have we have measurement. We have a way to start a measurement. What do you want? What we do,
 we want to do next. So for the next thing, I would like to talk about the open thought pattern making patterns. So what a pattern is. The one that I show you in the beginning of the flight or the display? It's the days. And so how is it attempted attempt itself in which you can from which all to pack up your gedman can be tried on a fabric before before they cut in and assemble them together. And so the is one of the software, the open source software that that created built out by our friend called Susan Spencer from the you asked about a few years ago. So what Susan does is Susan is a is a good old American. I shouldn't say old EESA is an American lady. She really lovely. Really. OK, so she did tie in and so so she tried to think of Zelada to do so. So is as you mentioned, it started as he started to surface when she was four years old. But he didn't have John to do it though, drew all her life and now she retired and she wanted to go back to sewing to do something with it. And so realized that all those 50 years, nothing had changed, much like to see it still do the same thing like she did in the old time. So they come up with the idea of software that can create a digital pattern. So what she did was the she tried to do a pattern based on mathematical formula copied in Python and then executive in Inskip Attention and tried to export FCE and then from effigy to a PDA that can be sent to the printer that bring out a pattern that to bring out a sewing pattern. And so I met Susan three years ago at a breakfast meeting and during the past three years I met her almost every every year and always listen to her house, how she did the project and everything. And she also showed me how to do a pattern based on mathematical formula. So that's what I try. I try something with the processing and it turned out you can also generate some kind of pattern in processing. So you mean that there's a lot of on target to put on there? Maybe there's also a solution with all the free
 software that can help you to do a sewing pattern. And this is another project, though, because of this work. We got other people to contact us to do to tell us about their budget. And is it another software that's called Project Valentina develop on Kutty five from Broman, a guy from the Ukraine. And yeah, so this is about pattern making pattern, sewing pattern, and the next thing that I want to the next thing that I want to to introduce to you is embroidery. Uh, do you know embroidery? Yes. No. And embroidery. I. Yes, yes, this embroidery can put your best into. OK, so you see in her jacket, so it is it the process of making pattern on your fabric by touching by that. And this is the embroidery. So how in your time, how do we do embroidery? A lot of people sitting down and do it by hand. They spend all day and night to do to do this kind of work. But recently they do. Of course, they also have the machine to do embroidery, but the machine is very expensive. Not everyone can afford this machine. So, you know, jobs in the Tanen, they stack a project or embroider Mordred, which is a software that read your your own embroidery design in the cat program and then generate embroidery files for home and commercial machine. And they started a Kickstarter campaign this year. But unfortunately, every day they were doing they us. Therefore, I don't know, not much interest for embroidery. I guess so. And so it is. Yes. And by the way, I dress as we talk about embroidery, even though I don't know how to call that big hole where a lot of machines are, there is a person called Oleksander Brooke. He came with a embroidery machine. So if you want to see how it looked like, he has a very big machine, very close to to the stage and it creates change. So you can hear from Value-Based the intercom there, and he can show you how the embroidery machine works. OK, so the next things are the next thing that I want to mention here, a knitting, knitting. I believe we know knitting because w
hat we read right now for winter, most of the clothes that we that we were knitting. So knitting, Adelaida, is a big interest come from Haircut's for knitting machine. Why is it like that? I think because for anything you can create a piece of shirt or a piece of garment from the beginning to an end so that they're not a lot of Brosset that need to blow through. You don't need to go to all the lot yourself. You don't need to you don't need to to do patankar. You can produce everything at once. So that's why a big entries come from the the hackers and developers for this. And on the on the screen there is an example of a shop in London does allow customer to look at knitting and to draw their own pattern and print it out their shop. It printed out there that they're close inside the shop at the time that they come to do that store in London. It's just reference. And the next project is OpenNet, which is, you know, this one. So started from Georgia Rubial, from Barcelona. And this is a very interesting project. So in a moment, I will show you a video on this. And together with his team, he also they also develop a software connected with allow you to make your own design and communicate with that on construction knitting machine. So let's see the video. Can you comment on this? It sets the straight guy you. Larry. Did you see me looking down the. Some saying, oh, my God, I. So you like it, huh? So, yes, so are they making in the neighborhood? This is our God. Is it what we want to do? We want to produce locally right here in your hometown. And so the next project is also about what is this here? So can you comment? Sorry about that. OK, so what is this? So this is a picture that's taken in the Mexican emelin just a few months ago and oh oh my goodness, I'm so nervous I forgot her name. I remember. I know. But so so she came to the event. And so what what is this about? So she is a woman that on 15 knitting machine at home see love to need. And she came to Damascus. He
 met he met a lot of hackers and learn about how they they happened in the him was she and she really excited. And so you see you see one you like Hecke developer to help her to to upgrade her knitting machine. And this is what we want to do next, to have more knitting machine. And another project also about knitting. Yep. Oh, yes, beautiful. And this project is coming from Germany munching. And fortunately, we have the two foudre update Bajak here today, Distin in Athens, Formanek. And so that would be upon us today. They will come on stage and give a live demo for us. So please join us on Facebook. Hi, so my name is and I'm from the Chaos Computer Club Munich, and I will show you should I project? What we have here is a knitting machine from BRUDDAH from the seventies. These machines are produced to the 90s, so they are not produced anymore. And what we actually did, we replace the whole electronics with Narino so you can control it with a standard procedure or whatever. And the small tool in Python, uh, to use it. And what I can do is you can knit any graphics you want and I will show you quickly. So we here we have the yarn and whatever, and I already started with the knitting, so it's a bit easier and all you have to do now is to move it from the left to the right. It does nothing. OK, it won't work. So just imagine how it would work. And you can maybe use a sound, a lovely sound of the machine. So if it would work, then you can see a nicely picture of the Congress logo, but it doesn't work. Sorry. OK, so thank you so much. It's so typical, right, is that it would be strange if it works now. So but that's quite different. That is why we are here. We need to to fix the problem. We need to to do more to stop. So thank you very much, Ms. And so let's continue once that. So so these are these are problems, audio, a sample of what's already there in the in the in the markets. So what are the next step? We need more machine to hack and Liberi. We need fashion tech ma
kers basic. We need software developers and designer. We need to start a local production everywhere and control environmental standards. And we need mako's. Is that your own business, that safe and open fashion store? OK, so and I know this last the reason why I'm here today, I'm looking for help. So, um, I hope that some of you, you know, it's always the problem is so people would say that the designer in the fashion industry, they don't talk to the Hecker's. They always lack of communication between technology and fashion. So that is our idea. We want to create a network of people who work together to Hackamore machine to to build a new knitting machine from 3D printers or to join our open network Amoco's. By the way, this picture is it's called an Audi knitting machine and majority pack, a feature of Mexican black and plastic. And so if you have any ideas how to help us to to create a personalized open textile production line, then to give you ideas. This a few places that our community members will be there to talk with you, to discuss with you more, so we will be at the first time in Brazil, January 21st to February one, drum up Internet of Things. And we have one big event coming up in Singapore for March 14 to 15, force Asia. And we will be then at the open house where Jack and also at the open trade summit in Bali, May 15, also open how we attract and the next Michigan conference, Fashion Tech Week in Berlin, October six to 12 1/2 to you. You can join us then. And that's it. By the way, I forgot to say thank you so much for your attention and thank you for not raising your hand, you know, hope. Thanks for the awesome talk. We had a lot of fun. We have plenty of time left because of your precise talk so we can have some questions. If you're interested. If you'd like to ask a question, just stand behind the microphones and wait for my signal. And until that, is there any questions from the Internet, from the people that are not currently right here? I think. 
Yes, there are. So I have the first question regarding the knitting machine. People were really impressed by the video you showed. I'm here right behind. Yes. So and they ask, like, how long does it take to make one piece of clothing? Was such a knitting machine like you showed in the video about three hours. It's out it depends also depends on what type of clothes you want to make, you want to make a sweater, you want to make sure we will at least let us see who can answer this question and have a machine. What do you think? How long do you play it? Well. Uh, with our machine, you have to do a little bit more headwork, um, it's not fully automatic like the knitting machine, but, um, yeah, it depends on board for a scarf. You need about, uh, 10 minutes, 20 minutes or so. And for a pillow, you need about 30 minutes. And for a full sweater about, uh, uh, three hours. Four hours. Thank you, the gentleman in the red pullover. What's your question and my question about the quality of the garments? Um, I had some some things made some some time ago in some foreign country. And then the shirts came out after some year, they they were worn out and the quality of the cotton was not good enough to my to what I wanted. So how do you how would you think of managing the quality of the game? I don't like the quality of clothing like HSM, which was out in three months. I want to wear my clothes for many years. Yes, exactly. That what we all want to do, we want to to keep our nose as long as possible. But also this is a problem that we have now in the industry, like for me, my clothes only after what time it will one out you of wear them anymore. So a lot of so so we have a few rishard we're not doing the resort ourself all for the fabric. But I read on the news, a lot of some people come up with making fabric from bacteria, from, from bacteria and, and they have an idea of making a better fab fabric with some material that friendly fire environment. And this is also our biggest qu
estion. We want to produce better clothes. How can we do this? I cannot answer this question because I don't have a solution myself, but maybe some of the people here will have and will tell us some people, maybe researcher, and they would die deep into it. How to create better quality fabric. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for the question. Would you please ask your question and get closer to the microphone so we can all listen to you? Hello. Yeah, working one question. You were showing us patterns and knitting and embroidery. How do you take control of the sewing process? In the beginning you showed one website where people are connected with local sewing people. But is that website part of your project or how how do you deal with that? As though our project so we are a network, so we did a body measurement. So we also do the patterns as software. But this is also a sample of different projects that are going on. This is not ours, Ally. We we are a community, a network of different people and a website. The people make that from the US. The business that they they they input a measurement. This is just a business that in a sample that we want, we want to show what is it out in what we can do with this? Is it not in style budget? But we we wanted to show the possibility in how we can work with this. Yeah. OK, so you only deal with the measurement software, but you don't go to the whole sewing and measurements of and Pattani also related to sewing. We also try to develop software to create patterns in this that I mentioned, Valentino project tile metatarsal that inside our network. So we have a lot, a lot of member and each person do different things. OK, no, the only question was who is sewing the clothes from the patterns, what we store in the clothes on the and let's say at the project, tell me to tell Susan the designer and see also Soho style so you get a pattern and then you saw yourself. But the idea for the future is we create a network of designer producer
 and then the the the database we connect and everyone can do the best they can. The designer can have the direct contact with produce and then we produce and ingrosso the pattern for himself or you can have some you can do it at home. Yeah. That's the idea for the future. Thank you. Thank you for the question. I think we should to check whether we have questions from the Internet. Africa. Yes, we have. So the next question from the Internet is whether you and your organization are also looking in open local fabrication, fabric production, like with weaving, like there was someone who turned a knitting machine into a computerized loom to make fabric like a tool in German. And so is this something that you're also interested in? Yes, it is. So we are looking for all kinds of possibilities to improve the industry and to make a new faces for the fashion design. So we are interested in any solution and interested in any people that would like to work together with us. That is also why I'm here today. I look forward. We will look for more people to join the project, to join us, the community. Yes, is is answer your question. Sure. The gentleman over there in the blue pullover, would you like to ask the question? OK, first, thank you. Thank you for your very interesting presentation. My question is that if I compare with some other industries like electronics, they moved the production out to cheap labor countries like perhaps Vietnam, I know of China. And now that there is increased level of automation, they moving this production back to countries in Europe because they don't need the labor anymore. There's so much automation. Aren't you afraid of the same thing may happen in the textile industry that it will move out of Vietnam because we don't need to hands labor anymore. You only need programmers and technicians and then no laborers anymore. Yeah. So I believe that with technology, for instance, now, instead of working for a big factory earning very little salary, I 
think that I can't afford a machine that I can produce my own cloth and sell my own laws to the market. So that is the goal that the technology becomes so cheap that even the laborer can afford it can do some some some stuff themselves and be able to make their own business instead of rely on big factory. And also it's our idea of how they are making a connection of all the level of production, you know, some design that they will not produce them. So they focus on creating the the design and they still need the people to sew this kind of fabric together. And that's what we're may maybe in the future we can say this, the middle man, the big factory, then designer can contact them directly with the people inside Vietnam. And we can also had opportunity to make our own business based on new technology. Okay. Thank you. So are there any more questions in the room over there, one? OK, so actually I have two questions. The first one is, have you considered using 3D body scanning to obtain the body shape instead of just taking measurements? Because I guess measurements are not everything. Bodies with the same measurements can look a little different and fit the body. Scanning might be more precise. I have a problem. I don't really understand the question you can use like cameras from different angles to import the whole body model into the computer and then use it to check clothes on it. Yes, that what I mentioned in the 3D body measurement we individualized to do to use our smartphone to take. Oh, I see. Yes. And if you can help us to develop an application on the smartphone, that would be cool. All right. And the second question is, how do you cut the pattern in materials? They use scissors, do it manually or do lasers. Yeah. So day to day is an industrial machine they use they can cut for you and for the tailor. Make it, for instance, this one everything I see, everything is done by hand. But also like big companies that name this thing that they closed at a factory an
d they have big machine to cut the fabrics. To answer your question, yes. I thank you for your talk. Thank you. Yes. Thank you for your question. I think. Do we have another question from the Internet? Yes. Last question from the Internet is regarding the big manufacturers. So you talked about standardized formats and that would be interesting for us to know whether there's any interest from the big manufacturers also in your standardized formats, whether you had already some talks or they contacted you or something like that. So the big companies still earlier this year, not the the not the the the people who produce clothes, but we talk to produce the the company who produce the sewing machine. And actually they sell they show a big interest in any idea. And they they they intended to join our Majken a few months ago. But unfortunately the engineer has some kind of entitlement and he couldn't show up. But we are still in touch with products and they show great interest on the project. And my question is the industrial machines. Sorry, I'm here. My question is industrial machines are more expensive because they're bigger and the printers, individual printers are cheaper because they're smaller. Is that the reason or is there a technological difference between the two which makes industrial machines more expensive to acquire by the average person? Industrial machine, they can produce faster, they can produce more, and also they can do more stuff that is with moisture. Yeah, it's more expensive. Is it the question? Yes. Thank you. Are there any more questions there in the back? Who was first, you or you? OK, don't go away. What's your question? My question is quite simple. You say you are being at a lot of events next year, but do you have an assembly here so we just can go over and talk to you after that? Yes, we we have a group of people here, actually, and I just arrived today and the members in my group saying that we have we will meet and raise you and raise you
 here. Uh, so where is the display that we that we have you? I don't know. This is my first time. I don't know the area, but but our members, I think they have they know where to meet. Mario. So a so and where is it, where are you located? Do you need a microphone? OK, so, um, this is the space with the other knitting and sewing machine is inspired by the three in the right corner in the back of the room. I think if you're interested, you can, uh, check this out and, um, you should maybe announce where you will be staying after the talk. So if people want to ask questions directly to you without the big audience, they have a chance to meet you up after the talk. I will be there with them. Yes, sir. So, uh, who will be in three at the CCC with the other knitting machines? Are there any more questions you have a yes, awesome. As we saw the rise of 3D printing, we saw a lot of struggle with with patents. So I already saw when I looked into that earlier, I saw that those needles are somehow patented by brother or something. Is there is movement there to free them in a way of not having patents there, maybe with the, uh, free, uh, printing, uh, Broadcom restricting their, uh. So, you know, this question will be best ENSO by one of the better. But the question would you like to to answer that question? At least I could try. Um, um, yeah, the most most parts of the machines can be built by yourself. Um, but as you just mentioned, the needles, um, are still parts which you have to buy also because, um, it's not that easy to to build them. Um, but, um, it's not witchcraft. So if you saw such a needle you can have a look at it. It's really simple build up. So um, perhaps if somebody can think of another slightly another, uh, layout, you can avoid patent or but at the, uh, restrictions. Yeah. So it's not like in 3D printing where we basically have everything that makes sense patented. So it's basically just a needle and everything else is kind of open as well. Yeah. Okay. This
 in this example, the OpenNet, uh, machine, um, is, uh, pretty many, uh, parts, but 3D printed. So it's also not that easy to assemble. So if you want to start right away, perhaps it's better to get, uh, an old machine which is complete and working and, uh, start with this. And, um, yeah, putting an open machine is perhaps a little bit for the more advanced users. OK, thank you. Thank you. Are there any more questions? No. So thank you for attending, give a warm round of applause to honkey. Thank you. Thank you very much and I would like to say thank you to Young for a very welcoming and a beginning and thank you to I don't know how you said Androes over there. Thank you so, so much. Thank you.